[time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

Luke.Hoffmann at l-3com.com Luke.Hoffmann at l-3com.com
Fri May 28 02:33:56 UTC 2010

Hi Jim,

If you are looking for low power (< 80 mW @ 24 degrees C), stable
(better that 1ppb per day) & accurate (within 5ppb of 1Hz from factory)
then have a look at these devices.

They also have an input pin that takes a GPS 1pps ref used to discipline
them. (Used by the device to recalibrate itself.)


Luke Hoffmann

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From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Palfreyman
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2010 12:22 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: [time-nuts] Most accurate small crystal

Hi All,

I have a RSA SecurID device which I use to log in to my work's VPN. For
those of you not familiar with these, they show you a 6 digit number
you use (combined with a PIN) to log in. This number changes every
The changing of this number lines up with the servers at the other end
as I understand it, they do take into account gradual drift. These
have a limited programmed lifetime of three years as well. So the
clock on one of these needs to be decent.

I have timed the accuracy of this internal clock and have found it to be
pretty good so far. 17 days ago it was ticking over at 21.8 sec past the
minute and a quick visual inspection today and it was still *very* close
that. I will confirm it properly tonight.

Now this device travels around with me, like a wristwatch, but is not on
person. It is usually in my laptop bag. So it is subject to quite

So it's been nearly 3 weeks and this device has barely changed 0.1 to
secs tops. Now that's not bad compared to digital watches.

I presume it has a quartz crystal in it, obviously no oven, but my

What is the best crystal you can get on the market today that would work
a watch type device with very little power available? What's the best
accuracy that can be expected?

I know straight out of the factory they can be pretty spot on (as my
Casio G
Shock was) but it has aged markedly and now gains a couple of seconds a
week. So what is the best we can expect long term too?


Jim Palfreyman
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