[time-nuts] Thunderbolt? (re simple gpsdo.)

Don Latham djl at montana.com
Sun Jan 1 20:56:49 UTC 2012


http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-capmult.html
I did not take the time to analyze...
Don

David
> Jim Williams did this in one of his designs for measuring low
> frequency reference noise.  The large value low leakage wet tantalum
> capacitor he used was like $400 and it took 24 hours for the
> dielectric absorption to settle:
>
> http://www.linear.com/docs/28585
>
> You can get the necessary time constant using a good 1uF film
> capacitor with good design and construction in this case.
>
> On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:11:04 -0500, Bob Camp <lists at rtty.us> wrote:
>
>>Any real world capacitor will have a dielecric with an associated
>> insulation resistance. It's a "more money gets better performance" sort
>> of thing, but there are indeed limits. A 1000 uF cap that has a "good"
>> insulation resistance number might cost you more than some new cars
.
>>
>>On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Hal Murray <hmurray at megapathdsl.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the main problem in this area is building a low pass filter
>>>> with a
>>>> long time constant.
>>>>
>>>> The time constant of the filter has to be:
>>>> long relative to the noise from the phase detector
>>>> short relative to aging of the oscillator
>>>> short relative to environmental changes
>>>>   (so the osc can track temperature and voltage
>>>>     those changes may be in the PLL system rather than the osc)
>>>>
>>>> If we are starting with PPS (rather than 10KHz), the filter time
>>>> constant
>>>> needs to be 10s or 100s of seconds.  How do I build an analog filter
>>>> with a
>>>> time constant that long?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Time constant is just R*C.  If you have a 1000uF cap and a 1K
>>> resistor you
>>> have 1 second.  In theory you could build 100s just by using a 100K
>>> resistor but I think real world components are not perfect enough.
>
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