[time-nuts] Nifty "MINI TIC" for DMTD work detail Info please read

Bruce Griffiths bruce.griffiths at xtra.co.nz
Tue Nov 20 21:09:04 UTC 2012


Since mixer noise is one of the limiting factors using a mixer with low 
flicker noise will help.
NIST found that a custom mixer using diode connected (collector base 
short) 2N222As had a significantly lower flicker phase noise than either 
the ZRPD1 or the 10534A.
They used off the shelf 1:5 impedance ratio transformers (probably from 
Minicircuits).
Another issue is the flicker phase noise of any isolation amplifiers used.
This is particularly critical if each mixer uses its own isolation 
amplifiers.

My current amplifier phase noise measurement setup (for measuring the 
additive PN of a pair of well matched amplifiers) has a self noise of 
around -170dBc/Hz @ 1Hz offset for a 10MHz input.
Ideally the additive phase noise of any isolation amplifiers should be 
well below that of the mixers.

Bruce

EWKehren at aol.com wrote:
> Yes Bruce I have the paper. I am not suggesting to copy it verbatim but if
> there is a way to reach reasonable priced 1 E-14 members of the list should
> pipe  in. I am willing to do an other board. the rest of the systems well
> on its way.  Einally after three years.
> Bert Kehren
>
>
> In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:28:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> bruce.griffiths at xtra.co.nz writes:
>
> EWKehren at aol.com wrote:
>    
>> The D/M is being revisited  because  of the counter performance. 1 E-13 is
>> easily attainable  but the Czech IREE  published a paper and claim 2 E-15.
>>
>>      
> Do you mean the paper ""optimization of dual-mixer time-difference
> multiplier" ?
> The ZCD developed in this is a bit of a kludge and is far  from optimum.
> Reverse engineering the circuit from the description given in  the paper
> isn't too difficult.
> They claim an instrument limited ADEV of  ~7E-15 @ 1s.
> Do you have a copy of this paper?
>    
>> Bert  Kehren   Miami
>>   _______________________________________________
>>
>>      
> Bruce
>
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