[time-nuts] Why the fuss?

d.seiter at comcast.net d.seiter at comcast.net
Fri Sep 28 00:13:53 UTC 2012 


Well, that's what I love about the SF bay area- lots of old neighborhoods that didn't have all these silly restrictions in place when they were built.  There are the "usual" CC&Rs, like I can raise chickens, but not cows, but it doesn't mandate what three colors you can paint your house, or the window coverings you can have or how long you can park your car in the driveway.  Yes, things can change, but at least it's not in place in the beginning- and we can monitor implementation of any changes, at least in Palo Alto and Sunnyvale (where we have neighborhood groups that monitor such things, specifically because we like the status quo). 



I'm sure some or all of the newer developments do have silly restrictions, I just would never buy into one. 



-Dave 



----- Original Message -----


From: "J. Forster" <jfor at quikus.com> 
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts at febo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:47:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? 

Earth to Dave: 

Sometimes laws and regulations change years after you buy a piece of 
property or do something perfectly legal. 

Nobody is safe whenever (Congress, Agency, State Legislature, Town 
Council, governing body, or whatever) is in session. 

YMMV, 

-John 

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> 
> 
> These are amoung other reasons why I will never buy a house in a 
> development or with a HOA. 
> 
> 
> 
> -Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> 
> From: "Bob Camp" <lists at rtty.us> 
> To: jfor at quikus.com, "Discussion of precise time and frequency 
> measurement" <time-nuts at febo.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:36:23 AM 
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? 
> 
> Hi 
> 
> .... and indeed many of the "likely hiding places" are also on the list of 
> things you are not supposed to do. 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On 
> Behalf Of J. Forster 
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:20 PM 
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement 
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? 
> 
> Vent pipes are not usually 20-30 feet tall. 
> 
> -John 
> 
> ============= 
> 
> 
>> Which for all intents and purposes means "nothing that looks like an 
>> antenna 
>> to John Q. Public". What if your GPS antenna looked like a vent pipe? or 
>> a 
>> Bird House? It may be difficult to hide a decent HF antenna, But, a 1.5 
>> GHz 
>> antenna can be virtually invisible. 
>> Dale NV8U 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Bob Camp 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 1:02 PM 
>> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' 
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? 
>> 
>> Hi 
>> 
>> Right here in PA for one. You essentially can not buy a new house 
>> without 
>> there being various conditions written into the title. One universal one 
>> is 
>> "no antennas". The only exception is for one 19" sat dish for TV, since 
>> that's a federal mandate. 
>> 
>> Bob 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: time-nuts-bounces at febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces at febo.com] On 
>> Behalf Of brent evers 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:57 AM 
>> To: jfor at quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency 
>> measurement 
>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why the fuss? 
>> 
>> Zoning, Legal? 
>> 
>> Where? 
>> 
>> Brent 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:41 AM, J. Forster <jfor at quikus.com> wrote: 
>>> Because: 
>>> 
>>> LORAN-C is gone. 
>>> 
>>> Not all can use GPS because of siting, horizon, zoning, legal, and 
>>> other 
>>> issues. Not everyone can erect antenna towers. 
>>> 
>>> There is nothing else, except perhaps WWV or CHU on HF. 
>>> 
>>> -John 
>>> 
>>> ================== 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I cannot think of a time-nuts WWVB reference requirement 
>>>> that cannot be better satisfied with a GPSDO. 
>>>> 
>>>> Will  NIST publish a public domain reference circuit? 
>>>> That would allay patent concerns. 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R     caf at omen.com   www.omen.com 
>>>> Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications 
>>>>    Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software" 
>>>> 10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231   503-614-0430 
>>>> 
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