[time-nuts] WWVB for Time Nuts

[Lee Mushel]

Jeeze, Brooke, I wish you hadn't brought up the possible patenting of  Time 
Delay Beam steering antennas!   I wonder if my highly esteemed SDR radio 
which I think uses some such technology, is illegal?

73

Lee   K9WRU
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brooke Clarke" <brooke at pacific.net>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
<time-nuts at febo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2014 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] WWVB for Time Nuts


> Hi:
>
> When I was in high school I built an oscilloscope from a kit made by 
> Electronic Instrument Co. (EICO).
> AFAICR Dumont had some patent that the kit avoided.
> ARAIK you can build any patented device for you own use.
>
> The reason I like patents is that they explain many things that books 
> avoid.
> Time delay beam steering antennas (frequency independent unlike phased 
> array antennas) (Fenwick) are patented but even today not in antenna 
> books.
> If you want to know what makes something a geodesic dome read the patent. 
> I have a tall stack of books and none of them spell it out.
>
> Have Fun,
>
> Brooke Clarke
> http://www.PRC68.com
> http://www.end2partygovernment.com/2012Issues.html
> http://www.prc68.com/I/DietNutrition.html
>
> Jim Lux wrote:
>> On 8/9/14, 12:56 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that the patent(s) do not keep you from building a part for 
>>> your own use.
>>
>> AS I understand it, this is not technically true. You can practice the 
>> patent to gain an understanding of it for the purposes of inventing 
>> something new that is based on that patent, or to design around it.  But 
>> you can't practice it, just because it's useful.
>>
>>  If I patent, oh, let's say, a swing consisting of a board (of an exotic, 
>> but readily available, composite material) hanging from a tree limb with 
>> two rods (of another exotic, but readily available material), you cannot 
>> go out and build that swing in your backyard for your kids to play on. 
>> You can, however, build that swing and do testing on it, connecting load 
>> cells, motion tracking systems using real time kinematic GPS receivers, 
>> and carefully measure the variations in the period of the swing as the 
>> gravitational pull of the moon shifts, etc. Perhaps you are going to 
>> build a better swing, maybe using 3 ropes instead of 2 (since my patent 
>> attorney didn't write the claims well).
>>
>>
>>  Regardless of what they do / do not patent, a TimeNut can still build 
>> (and use for themselves) what ever they wish.
>>>
>>> ————
>>>
>>> Now, if you (after careful examination) believe that the privately held 
>>> patents keep you from building a receiver for a Federally Funded 
>>> service - talk to your elected representatives. They are the ones who 
>>> can / will fire up a committee to look into this sort of stuff.  I think 
>>> I would want to have some information on license costs before I made 
>>> that phone call though.
>>>
>>
>> precisely so
>>
>> Jim
>>
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