[time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 136, Issue 5

Stephen Farthing squirrox at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 12:35:27 EST 2015


Hi guys,

Thanks for the advice and offers to help. I think I will pass on the
Proteus. I have already have a rubidium standard and getting  the Proteus
to work is probably going to take up more time than I have available for a
while.

Kind regards,

Steve G0XAR

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>    1. NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Stephen Farthing)
>    2. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Bob Camp)
>    3. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (paul swed)
>    4. General Radio frequency standard question... (Burt I. Weiner)
>    5. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Rob Sherwood.)
>    6. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:25:39 +0000
> From: Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
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> Subject: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
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> Hi all,
>
> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I
> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and uses a
> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and has
> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under Windows
> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> problem.
>
> Any comments great fully received.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Steve G0XAR
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:47:36 -0500
> From: Bob Camp <kb8tq at n1k.org <javascript:;>>
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>         <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
> Message-ID: <B7486F86-BEAC-46CA-BB7A-C0D80B532AF2 at n1k.org <javascript:;>>
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> Hi
>
> In general running Win 95 software on Win 10 is not a real good bet. It’s
> slightly more
> likely to work with Win 10 Pro than with the entry level version.
>
> Bob
>
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I
> > understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> uses a
> > serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> has
> > USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> Windows
> > 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> > power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> > problem.
> >
> > Any comments great fully received.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Steve G0XAR
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:19:41 -0500
> From: paul swed <paulswedb at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>         <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
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> Steve
> My very small 10 cents.
> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was win98
> sp2 region.
> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was.
>
> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let you
> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then most
> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues.
> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun.
> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the
> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go up.
> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain.
> >From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. :-)
> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck.
> Regards
> Paul
> WB8TSL
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I
> > understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> uses a
> > serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> has
> > USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> Windows
> > 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> > power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> > problem.
> >
> > Any comments great fully received.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Steve G0XAR
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:07:42 -0800
> From: "Burt I. Weiner" <biwa at att.net <javascript:;>>
> To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
> Subject: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question...
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> I'm trying to remember the model number of the GR Comparison Scope -
> the one that had the anode in the center of the face of the
> CRT.  Something like an 1109A or B?  Can someone refresh my
> memory.  At one time I was looking for one of those - maybe I still am.
>
> Burt, K6OQK
>
>
> >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question
> >
> >There is a GR group on Yahoo but its pretty quiet.
> >
> >I joined when I started restoring one of the GR early synthesizers a
> 1161A,
> >the a 1115A
> >oscillator (the one where the dewer got destroyed in shipping).
>
> Burt I. Weiner Associates
> Broadcast Technical Services
> Glendale, California  U.S.A.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:59:26 +0000
> From: Rob Sherwood. <rob at nc0b.com <javascript:;>>
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>         <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
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> For multiple reasons I install serial cards in my Win7 desktops.
> On the issue of the Win95 program, it may not run because the CPU is too
> fast.
> Rob
> NC0b
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, "paul swed" <paulswedb at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve
> > My very small 10 cents.
> > I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was win98
> > sp2 region.
> > Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was.
> >
> > But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let you
> > get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then
> most
> > likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues.
> > If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun.
> > Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the
> > headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go up.
> > There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain.
> >> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. :-)
> > I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck.
> > Regards
> > Paul
> > WB8TSL
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual
> I
> >> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> uses a
> >> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> has
> >> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> Windows
> >> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> >> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >> Any comments great fully received.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Steve G0XAR
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:18:44 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
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> Hi Steve,
>
> I've got one of these, also came to me new in the box but that was  around
> twelve years ago and other than a short period of testing has stayed  there
> ever since, nothing wrong with it as far as I can remember  just  too much
> stuff, too much to do, and Thunderbolts and the like do take  up a bit less
> space:-)
>
> How long do you have before you need to make a decision?, I can let you
> have a copy of the software if you want to play with that first, and  the
> manual too if you don't have ongoing access to it at the moment.
>
> Interestingly, the Proteus software is badged Symmetricom, although I
> don't recall anything to suggest that they and Parthus had any working
> relationship.
>
> My manual indicates the software as suitable for Win95, Win98, and NT,
> which does rather show its age:-), but I've run it ok on a P4 WinXP machine
> using a standard RS232 port.
> I could try an installation under Win7 via a USB to serial adapter but my
> Proteus is tucked away in its box so I would need a bit of time to get it
> set up, and whilst that obviously won't confirm it will work with Win  10
> it
> might at least be a step nearer.
>
> Unfortunately whilst the manual does give information on the message format
>  for the time port output it doesn't for the control port, just refers to
> the  supplied CDU software.
> Presumably it could be sniffed at the port but the manual does state that
> the messages are binary format and that a terminal emulator can't be  used
> for control.
>
> The Proteus was supplied in 12, 24, and 48 Volt versions, and this will be
> indicated on the label on the unit. One thing to be aware of, just in case
> it  doesn't come with original antenna, is that the antenna port feeds 12
> Volts DC  to the antenna, rather than 5 Volts, or even 3.3 Volts, as often
> found  later. As far as I remember this isn't made clear in the manual.
>
> Week 1024 rollover is discussed in the manual and shouldn't have been an
> issue, at least that's what they said for the 1999 rollover:-), but again I
> can  check that if you don't need to make a decision in the next day or so.
>
> Regards
>
> Nigel
> GM8PZR
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>  I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I
>  understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and uses
> a
>  serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and has
>  USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under Windows
>  10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
>  power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
>  problem.
>
>  Any comments great fully received.
>
>  Thanks in advance,
>
>  Steve G0XAR
>
>
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