[time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 136, Issue 5

paul swed paulswedb at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 15:17:40 EST 2015


Yes funny how those things tend to work.
If you have good enough life will fill in with other things pretty quickly.
As an example I have an old austron 2201 GPS unit that really does a nice
job of showing offsets. But with the GPS rollover and other annoyances its
actually a pain in the butt to fire up.
Far to spoiled by the modern things you fire up walk away and 30-120 min
later pretty darn stable.
Regard
Paul
WB8TSL

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Thanks for the advice and offers to help. I think I will pass on the
> Proteus. I have already have a rubidium standard and getting  the Proteus
> to work is probably going to take up more time than I have available for a
> while.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Steve G0XAR
>
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> >    1. NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Stephen Farthing)
> >    2. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Bob Camp)
> >    3. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (paul swed)
> >    4. General Radio frequency standard question... (Burt I. Weiner)
> >    5. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Rob Sherwood.)
> >    6. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
> >       (GandalfG8 at aol.com <javascript:;>)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:25:39 +0000
> > From: Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
> > Subject: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
> > Message-ID:
> >         <CAAx2MdJJOU6rcz=EV-SQng-TBKwBvcFMMOjUwUhr0oSZe1QK=
> > A at mail.gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I
> > understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> uses a
> > serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> has
> > USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> Windows
> > 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> > power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> > problem.
> >
> > Any comments great fully received.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Steve G0XAR
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:47:36 -0500
> > From: Bob Camp <kb8tq at n1k.org <javascript:;>>
> > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> >         <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
> > Message-ID: <B7486F86-BEAC-46CA-BB7A-C0D80B532AF2 at n1k.org
> <javascript:;>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > In general running Win 95 software on Win 10 is not a real good bet. It’s
> > slightly more
> > likely to work with Win 10 Pro than with the entry level version.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > > On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the
> manual I
> > > understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> > uses a
> > > serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> > has
> > > USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> > Windows
> > > 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> > > power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > Any comments great fully received.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Steve G0XAR
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:19:41 -0500
> > From: paul swed <paulswedb at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> >         <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
> > Message-ID:
> >         <
> > CAD2JfAg_ZNcZH6T3-eEzLbRB2mmNabX2MHQwJA+SM72w+vMd6g at mail.gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>>
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> >
> > Steve
> > My very small 10 cents.
> > I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was win98
> > sp2 region.
> > Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was.
> >
> > But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let you
> > get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then
> most
> > likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues.
> > If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun.
> > Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the
> > headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go up.
> > There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain.
> > >From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. :-)
> > I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck.
> > Regards
> > Paul
> > WB8TSL
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the
> manual I
> > > understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> > uses a
> > > serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> > has
> > > USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> > Windows
> > > 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> > > power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > Any comments great fully received.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Steve G0XAR
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > ------------------------------
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:07:42 -0800
> > From: "Burt I. Weiner" <biwa at att.net <javascript:;>>
> > To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
> > Subject: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question...
> > Message-ID: <757554.67050.bm at smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
> <javascript:;>
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > I'm trying to remember the model number of the GR Comparison Scope -
> > the one that had the anode in the center of the face of the
> > CRT.  Something like an 1109A or B?  Can someone refresh my
> > memory.  At one time I was looking for one of those - maybe I still am.
> >
> > Burt, K6OQK
> >
> >
> > >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question
> > >
> > >There is a GR group on Yahoo but its pretty quiet.
> > >
> > >I joined when I started restoring one of the GR early synthesizers a
> > 1161A,
> > >the a 1115A
> > >oscillator (the one where the dewer got destroyed in shipping).
> >
> > Burt I. Weiner Associates
> > Broadcast Technical Services
> > Glendale, California  U.S.A.
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> > K6OQK
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:59:26 +0000
> > From: Rob Sherwood. <rob at nc0b.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> >         <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
> > Message-ID: <E85D45FF-A0E5-4094-B2D2-860F98FED67E at nc0b.com
> <javascript:;>>
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> >
> > For multiple reasons I install serial cards in my Win7 desktops.
> > On the issue of the Win95 program, it may not run because the CPU is too
> > fast.
> > Rob
> > NC0b
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, "paul swed" <paulswedb at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > My very small 10 cents.
> > > I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was
> win98
> > > sp2 region.
> > > Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was.
> > >
> > > But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let
> you
> > > get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then
> > most
> > > likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues.
> > > If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun.
> > > Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the
> > > headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go
> up.
> > > There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain.
> > >> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems.
> :-)
> > > I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck.
> > > Regards
> > > Paul
> > > WB8TSL
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the
> manual
> > I
> > >> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> > uses a
> > >> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> > has
> > >> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> > Windows
> > >> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make
> a
> > >> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> > >> problem.
> > >>
> > >> Any comments great fully received.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks in advance,
> > >>
> > >> Steve G0XAR
> > >> _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:18:44 -0500
> > From: GandalfG8 at aol.com <javascript:;>
> > To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
> > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
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> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > I've got one of these, also came to me new in the box but that was
> around
> > twelve years ago and other than a short period of testing has stayed
> there
> > ever since, nothing wrong with it as far as I can remember  just  too
> much
> > stuff, too much to do, and Thunderbolts and the like do take  up a bit
> less
> > space:-)
> >
> > How long do you have before you need to make a decision?, I can let you
> > have a copy of the software if you want to play with that first, and  the
> > manual too if you don't have ongoing access to it at the moment.
> >
> > Interestingly, the Proteus software is badged Symmetricom, although I
> > don't recall anything to suggest that they and Parthus had any working
> > relationship.
> >
> > My manual indicates the software as suitable for Win95, Win98, and NT,
> > which does rather show its age:-), but I've run it ok on a P4 WinXP
> machine
> > using a standard RS232 port.
> > I could try an installation under Win7 via a USB to serial adapter but my
> > Proteus is tucked away in its box so I would need a bit of time to get it
> > set up, and whilst that obviously won't confirm it will work with Win  10
> > it
> > might at least be a step nearer.
> >
> > Unfortunately whilst the manual does give information on the message
> format
> >  for the time port output it doesn't for the control port, just refers to
> > the  supplied CDU software.
> > Presumably it could be sniffed at the port but the manual does state that
> > the messages are binary format and that a terminal emulator can't be
> used
> > for control.
> >
> > The Proteus was supplied in 12, 24, and 48 Volt versions, and this will
> be
> > indicated on the label on the unit. One thing to be aware of, just in
> case
> > it  doesn't come with original antenna, is that the antenna port feeds 12
> > Volts DC  to the antenna, rather than 5 Volts, or even 3.3 Volts, as
> often
> > found  later. As far as I remember this isn't made clear in the manual.
> >
> > Week 1024 rollover is discussed in the manual and shouldn't have been an
> > issue, at least that's what they said for the 1999 rollover:-), but
> again I
> > can  check that if you don't need to make a decision in the next day or
> so.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Nigel
> > GM8PZR
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >  I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual
> I
> >  understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
> uses
> > a
> >  serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
> has
> >  USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
> Windows
> >  10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
> >  power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
> >  problem.
> >
> >  Any comments great fully received.
> >
> >  Thanks in advance,
> >
> >  Steve G0XAR
> >
> >
> >
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