[time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 136, Issue 5

Don Latham djl at montana.com
Sat Nov 7 13:25:09 EST 2015


3 amens to that, bre'r Bob. I too, have a pile or two. I thought, being an
adaptive and fixit whiz, I could actually use the stuff. Ain't so.
Don

Bob Camp
> Hi
>
> Equally to the point - don’t overpay.
>
> A unit that needs a whole bunch of attention is worth less than something that
> fires up and “just works”. In this case entry level “just works” is priced
> below $200.
>
> Stuff with historical significance - sure, you could easily pay more for that.
> To
> me it’ll be another 20 years before the mid-90’s GPS gear becomes
> “historical”.
>
> It’s easy to get caught up in some of this stuff. I have piles and piles of
> this and that
> to prove the point.
>
> Bob
>
>> On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:17 PM, paul swed <paulswedb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes funny how those things tend to work.
>> If you have good enough life will fill in with other things pretty quickly.
>> As an example I have an old austron 2201 GPS unit that really does a nice
>> job of showing offsets. But with the GPS rollover and other annoyances its
>> actually a pain in the butt to fire up.
>> Far to spoiled by the modern things you fire up walk away and 30-120 min
>> later pretty darn stable.
>> Regard
>> Paul
>> WB8TSL
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the advice and offers to help. I think I will pass on the
>>> Proteus. I have already have a rubidium standard and getting  the Proteus
>>> to work is probably going to take up more time than I have available for a
>>> while.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Steve G0XAR
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2015, <time-nuts-request at febo.com> wrote:
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>>>>   1. NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Stephen Farthing)
>>>>   2. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Bob Camp)
>>>>   3. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (paul swed)
>>>>   4. General Radio frequency standard question... (Burt I. Weiner)
>>>>   5. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit (Rob Sherwood.)
>>>>   6. Re: NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
>>>>      (GandalfG8 at aol.com <javascript:;>)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:25:39 +0000
>>>> From: Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
>>>> Subject: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>        <CAAx2MdJJOU6rcz=EV-SQng-TBKwBvcFMMOjUwUhr0oSZe1QK=
>>>> A at mail.gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual I
>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
>>> uses a
>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
>>> has
>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
>>> Windows
>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments great fully received.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Steve G0XAR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:47:36 -0500
>>>> From: Bob Camp <kb8tq at n1k.org <javascript:;>>
>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>>>        <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
>>>> Message-ID: <B7486F86-BEAC-46CA-BB7A-C0D80B532AF2 at n1k.org
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> In general running Win 95 software on Win 10 is not a real good bet. It’s
>>>> slightly more
>>>> likely to work with Win 10 Pro than with the entry level version.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the
>>> manual I
>>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
>>>> uses a
>>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
>>>> has
>>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
>>>> Windows
>>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
>>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comments great fully received.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve G0XAR
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:19:41 -0500
>>>> From: paul swed <paulswedb at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>>>        <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>        <
>>>> CAD2JfAg_ZNcZH6T3-eEzLbRB2mmNabX2MHQwJA+SM72w+vMd6g at mail.gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> My very small 10 cents.
>>>> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was win98
>>>> sp2 region.
>>>> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was.
>>>>
>>>> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let you
>>>> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then
>>> most
>>>> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues.
>>>> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun.
>>>> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the
>>>> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go up.
>>>> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain.
>>>>> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems. :-)
>>>> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck.
>>>> Regards
>>>> Paul
>>>> WB8TSL
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the
>>> manual I
>>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
>>>> uses a
>>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
>>>> has
>>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
>>>> Windows
>>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
>>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comments great fully received.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve G0XAR
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>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:07:42 -0800
>>>> From: "Burt I. Weiner" <biwa at att.net <javascript:;>>
>>>> To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
>>>> Subject: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question...
>>>> Message-ID: <757554.67050.bm at smtp120.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
>>> <javascript:;>
>>>>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to remember the model number of the GR Comparison Scope -
>>>> the one that had the anode in the center of the face of the
>>>> CRT.  Something like an 1109A or B?  Can someone refresh my
>>>> memory.  At one time I was looking for one of those - maybe I still am.
>>>>
>>>> Burt, K6OQK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] General Radio frequency standard question
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a GR group on Yahoo but its pretty quiet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I joined when I started restoring one of the GR early synthesizers a
>>>> 1161A,
>>>>> the a 1115A
>>>>> oscillator (the one where the dewer got destroyed in shipping).
>>>>
>>>> Burt I. Weiner Associates
>>>> Broadcast Technical Services
>>>> Glendale, California  U.S.A.
>>>> biwa at att.net <javascript:;>
>>>> www.biwa.cc
>>>> K6OQK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 03:59:26 +0000
>>>> From: Rob Sherwood. <rob at nc0b.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
>>>>        <time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
>>>> Message-ID: <E85D45FF-A0E5-4094-B2D2-860F98FED67E at nc0b.com
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>> For multiple reasons I install serial cards in my Win7 desktops.
>>>> On the issue of the Win95 program, it may not run because the CPU is too
>>>> fast.
>>>> Rob
>>>> NC0b
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 7:02 PM, "paul swed" <paulswedb at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> My very small 10 cents.
>>>>> I am pretty sure win 95 had no idea what USB is. I think thats was
>>> win98
>>>>> sp2 region.
>>>>> Certainly win10 wouldn't understand what that program was.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that said there are dos emulators/virtual machines that might let
>>> you
>>>>> get away with it. The other comment is if the device is circa 95 then
>>>> most
>>>>> likely you will also have GPS week rollover issues.
>>>>> If the thing is selling for $1 then what the heck. Fun is fun.
>>>>> Otherwise you may want to consider something a bit newer saving the
>>>>> headaches and complexity. They seem to start in the $125 range and go
>>> up.
>>>>> There are certainly modern solutions at low cost without the pain.
>>>>>> From the guy who has recovered more then a few ancient GPS systems.
>>> :-)
>>>>> I suspect if there is a better answer you will get it here. Good luck.
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> WB8TSL
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Stephen Farthing <squirrox at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the
>>> manual
>>>> I
>>>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
>>>> uses a
>>>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
>>>> has
>>>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
>>>> Windows
>>>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make
>>> a
>>>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any comments great fully received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve G0XAR
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 05:18:44 -0500
>>>> From: GandalfG8 at aol.com <javascript:;>
>>>> To: time-nuts at febo.com <javascript:;>
>>>> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] NAVSTAR proteus GPS time and frequency unit
>>>> Message-ID: <75951.31663a70.436c8704 at aol.com <javascript:;>>
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>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>
>>>> I've got one of these, also came to me new in the box but that was
>>> around
>>>> twelve years ago and other than a short period of testing has stayed
>>> there
>>>> ever since, nothing wrong with it as far as I can remember  just  too
>>> much
>>>> stuff, too much to do, and Thunderbolts and the like do take  up a bit
>>> less
>>>> space:-)
>>>>
>>>> How long do you have before you need to make a decision?, I can let you
>>>> have a copy of the software if you want to play with that first, and  the
>>>> manual too if you don't have ongoing access to it at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, the Proteus software is badged Symmetricom, although I
>>>> don't recall anything to suggest that they and Parthus had any working
>>>> relationship.
>>>>
>>>> My manual indicates the software as suitable for Win95, Win98, and NT,
>>>> which does rather show its age:-), but I've run it ok on a P4 WinXP
>>> machine
>>>> using a standard RS232 port.
>>>> I could try an installation under Win7 via a USB to serial adapter but my
>>>> Proteus is tucked away in its box so I would need a bit of time to get it
>>>> set up, and whilst that obviously won't confirm it will work with Win  10
>>>> it
>>>> might at least be a step nearer.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately whilst the manual does give information on the message
>>> format
>>>> for the time port output it doesn't for the control port, just refers to
>>>> the  supplied CDU software.
>>>> Presumably it could be sniffed at the port but the manual does state that
>>>> the messages are binary format and that a terminal emulator can't be
>>> used
>>>> for control.
>>>>
>>>> The Proteus was supplied in 12, 24, and 48 Volt versions, and this will
>>> be
>>>> indicated on the label on the unit. One thing to be aware of, just in
>>> case
>>>> it  doesn't come with original antenna, is that the antenna port feeds 12
>>>> Volts DC  to the antenna, rather than 5 Volts, or even 3.3 Volts, as
>>> often
>>>> found  later. As far as I remember this isn't made clear in the manual.
>>>>
>>>> Week 1024 rollover is discussed in the manual and shouldn't have been an
>>>> issue, at least that's what they said for the 1999 rollover:-), but
>>> again I
>>>> can  check that if you don't need to make a decision in the next day or
>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>> GM8PZR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have the chance to buy a new boxed unit. Having glanced at the manual
>>> I
>>>> understand that the configuration software runs under Windows 95 and
>>> uses
>>>> a
>>>> serial RS232 port. The only Windows box I have now runs Windows 10 and
>>> has
>>>> USB only. So my questions are, can I run the config software under
>>> Windows
>>>> 10 and will a USB to serial adaptor work with it? I will need to make a
>>>> power supply for it as I think it requires 24 volts. That should be no
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments great fully received.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Steve G0XAR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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