[time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing
Adrian Godwin
artgodwin at gmail.com
Wed Nov 9 12:29:02 EST 2016
Yes, I'm sorry about that.
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 5:18 PM, paul swed <paulswedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Adrian
> I think you may have responded to the wrong thread??
> Regards
> Paul
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Adrian Godwin <artgodwin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm still struggling to get the acrylic I need. I've been into London a
> few
> > times but not been able to get to the shop in business hours. Guess I
> could
> > order online if necessary but it will cost a fair bit more.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 3:19 PM, paul swed <paulswedb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I saw the low CBT temp also and 10 degrees C seem like allot. However
> in
> > > the 5060/5061 Frankenstein I run the oven at +10 degrees (approx.) to
> > what
> > > the tube asks for. To drive C fumes out of the oven. A possible
> > assumption
> > > is the cooler oven is emitting fewer C's and the emult is trying to
> make
> > up
> > > for it.
> > >
> > > Li
> > > If it were mine and I checked the other suggestions. I would if
> > convenient
> > > actually attempt to raise the oven temp a bit to see what happens. I
> > would
> > > measure current and use an external supply to match it and then gently
> > > increase the current. But from the thread you do not own it and I
> think a
> > > large amount of money was at stake.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Paul
> > > WB8TSL
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Scott McGrath <scmcgrath at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > that's telling you that the CBT oven is not up to temp so you could
> > have
> > > > a failed heater in the tube or the oven controller is malfunctioning
> > > >
> > > > The former well you need a new tube which symmetricom will be happy
> to
> > > > sell you for a 5 figure price tag.
> > > >
> > > > The latter is limited by your repair skills and parts and data
> > > availability
> > > >
> > > > Content by Scott
> > > > Typos by Siri
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Li Ang <379998 at qq.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the Log, "CBT Oven Err: -9.55 C" might be something
> > wrong.
> > > > However, I can't find the correct range in the manual. Does anyone
> have
> > > the
> > > > information about this parameter?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Li Ang
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------ Original ------------------
> > > > > From: "Li Ang";<379998 at qq.com>;
> > > > > Date: Wed, Nov 9, 2016 02:48 PM
> > > > > To: "Tom Van Baak"<tvb at leapsecond.com>; "Discussion of precise
> time
> > > > and frequency measurement"<time-nuts at febo.com>;
> > > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > I have collected the log from it. Log level is service. The 9.2G
> pll
> > > > pass the test today. The log during the power-up process is also
> > > included.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Li Ang / BI7LNQ
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi >
> > > > >
> > > > > MJD 0 02:02:18
> > > > >
> > > > > CBT ID: 3128A00642(H)
> > > > >
> > > > > Status summary: Fatal Error (see Log)
> > > > >
> > > > > Power source: AC
> > > > >
> > > > > Log status: One entry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -9.56 %
> > > > >
> > > > > RF amplitude 1: 6.3 % RF amplitude 2: 6.3 %
> > > > >
> > > > > Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.213 mA
> > > > >
> > > > > E-multiplier: 2553 V Signal Gain: 14.4 %
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CBT Oven: 0.0 V CBT Oven Err: -9.55 C
> > > > >
> > > > > Osc. Oven: -9.1 V Ion Pump: 0.4 uA
> > > > >
> > > > > HW Ionizer: -0.1 V Mass spec: 12.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > SAW Tuning: 0.0 V DRO Tuning: 7.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > 87MHz PLL: 0.8 V uP Clock PLL: 1.8 V
> > > > >
> > > > > +12V supply: 12.3 V -12V supply: -12.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > +5V supply: 5.4 V Thermometer: 46.2 C
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > E-103> exit
> > > > >
> > > > > E-113>
> > > > >
> > > > > E-113> Log status: One entry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Log 000 of MJD 0 00:12:40: Low Cs signal (60) with max
> Emult
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > E-113>
> > > > >
> > > > > E-113> PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT mass spec test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU RTDS test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CPU clock locked test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 87MHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: 9.2 GHz PLL test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo convertor timeout test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface abus test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps interrupt test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: power logic signals test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT window comp test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT therm test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT Cs oven test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT hw ion test
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > E-113>
> > > > >
> > > > > E-113> scpi >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi >
> > > > >
> > > > > Performing hardware tests
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: CBT register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: DDFS register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Servo register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Interface register test
> > > > >
> > > > > PASS: Pps register test
> > > > >
> > > > > Warming up
> > > > >
> > > > > Osc. oven is up
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MJD 0 00:00:29
> > > > >
> > > > > CBT ID: 3128A00642(H)
> > > > >
> > > > > Status summary: Warming up
> > > > >
> > > > > Power source: AC
> > > > >
> > > > > Log status: One entry
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -9.56 %
> > > > >
> > > > > RF amplitude 1: 6.3 % RF amplitude 2: 6.3 %
> > > > >
> > > > > Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.213 mA
> > > > >
> > > > > E-multiplier: 1524 V Signal Gain: 14.4 %
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CBT Oven: 20.6 V CBT Oven Err: -9.55 C
> > > > >
> > > > > Osc. Oven: -9.0 V Ion Pump: 0.4 uA
> > > > >
> > > > > HW Ionizer: 1.0 V Mass spec: 12.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > SAW Tuning: 0.0 V DRO Tuning: 7.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > 87MHz PLL: 0.8 V uP Clock PLL: 1.8 V
> > > > >
> > > > > +12V supply: 12.2 V -12V supply: -12.2 V
> > > > >
> > > > > +5V supply: 5.4 V Thermometer: 45.0 C
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi > Cs oven is up
> > > > >
> > > > > F(z) = 39948.9 Hz
> > > > >
> > > > > Low Cs beam signal = 3
> > > > >
> > > > > Raising emult voltage...
> > > > >
> > > > > Low Cs signal (37) with max Emult
> > > > >
> > > > > Fractional freq. offset is -0.000000e+00
> > > > >
> > > > > Fatal Error (see Log)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi > Log status: 2 entries
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Log 000 of MJD 0 00:12:40: Low Cs signal (60) with max
> Emult
> > > > >
> > > > > Log 001 of MJD 0 00:09:59: Low Cs signal (37) with max
> Emult
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MJD 0 00:13:46
> > > > >
> > > > > CBT ID: 3128A00642(H)
> > > > >
> > > > > Status summary: Fatal Error (see Log)
> > > > >
> > > > > Power source: AC
> > > > >
> > > > > Log status: 2 entries
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -9.56 %
> > > > >
> > > > > RF amplitude 1: 6.3 % RF amplitude 2: 6.3 %
> > > > >
> > > > > Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.213 mA
> > > > >
> > > > > E-multiplier: 2553 V Signal Gain: 14.4 %
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CBT Oven: 0.0 V CBT Oven Err: -8.22 C
> > > > >
> > > > > Osc. Oven: -9.1 V Ion Pump: 1.0 uA
> > > > >
> > > > > HW Ionizer: 0.0 V Mass spec: 12.2 V
> > > > >
> > > > > SAW Tuning: 0.0 V DRO Tuning: 7.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > 87MHz PLL: 0.8 V uP Clock PLL: 1.7 V
> > > > >
> > > > > +12V supply: 12.3 V -12V supply: -12.3 V
> > > > >
> > > > > +5V supply: 5.4 V Thermometer: 46.4 C
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > scpi > Log status: 2 entries
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Log 000 of MJD 0 00:12:40: Low Cs signal (60) with max
> Emult
> > > > >
> > > > > Log 001 of MJD 0 00:09:59: Low Cs signal (37) with max
> Emult
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---Original---
> > > > > From: "Tom Van Baak"<tvb at LeapSecond.com>
> > > > > Date: 2016/11/4 00:42:46
> > > > > To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"<
> > > > time-nuts at febo.com>;
> > > > > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Li,
> > > > >
> > > > > The "Low cs signal with max Emult" is the classic error indicating
> > it's
> > > > out of gas. That's a bad sign. But the "9.2GHz PLL test 10.3v" is
> > > something
> > > > else. So maybe there's hope? Or maybe you have two big problems
> instead
> > > of
> > > > one. Rick might know.
> > > > >
> > > > > For additional information, connect a PC to the serial port and
> > capture
> > > > the diagnostic information. Right after power up, press TOP -> CONFIG
> > ->
> > > > LOG -> SERVICE to set the unit into verbose diagnostic mode. You
> should
> > > see
> > > > lines print every now and then as it undergoes self test and
> > calibration.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can also press TOP -> INFO -> PRINT to get a nicely formatted
> > > > summary. Or TOP -> LOG -> PRINT to get the entire log history. That
> > > > sometimes has lots of clues. The advantage of using the serial port
> is
> > > you
> > > > get a permanent record of all this information. Viewing all this by
> the
> > > LCD
> > > > screen can be tedious.
> > > > >
> > > > > There's more information in 05071-90040, the 5071A Assembly-Level
> > > > Service Manual, copies of which are on the web. Also 05071-90041,
> > > Operating
> > > > and Programming Manual.
> > > > >
> > > > > /tvb
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Li Ang" <379998 at qq.com>
> > > > > To: "time-nuts" <time-nuts at febo.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:10 AM
> > > > > Subject: [time-nuts] 5071A with ATTENTION flashing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi
> > > > >> Today I met one HP 5071A with option 001 at one secondhand
> equipment
> > > > company. This one can not enter CONTINUOUS OPERATION status, the
> > > ATTENTION
> > > > led flashes.
> > > > >> There is a "Low cs signal with max Emult" error in the log. I have
> > run
> > > > the self-test, and it stopped at "9.2GHz PLL test 10.3v". I can only
> > > > remember the the pump current was 0.8uA or less, C-filed was about
> > 12mA.
> > > > >> The seller is asking for about 4000$, I am wondering if it's
> > > > repairable. Since it is a "HP" branded 5071A with 001 option, I do
> not
> > > > know if the Cs tube is dying or not, according to the two current
> > values?
> > > > >> How do I know one 5071A/5061/5062 is dying or is still in good
> > health
> > > > by the readings?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> de BI7LNQ
> > > > >
> > > > >
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