[time-nuts] Rb short-term noise (was RE: Is this a cesium...)

Magnus Danielson magnus at rubidium.dyndns.org
Sat Aug 25 11:31:08 UTC 2012

On 08/24/2012 11:35 AM, Azelio Boriani wrote:
> Magnus warned us about the use of very long time constant to act on
> disciplining. In my opinion it is better to use quieter data coming from a
> relatively fast sampling Kalman filter and correct as frequently as
> possible then train the filter with long time constants.

It really, really depends. I usually warn about using _too_ long time 
constants. As John has correctly pointed out, the PRS-10 has a good 
crystal oscillator in it, allowing for longer time-constants to be used.

There are many benefits of using an SC-cut crystal oven in a rubidium.

I also agree with John about the hump, its bound to be there due to the 
PLL action. There are two sources of humpiness at the cross-over. The 
first is that at the cross-over you transition from the low-pass 
filtered reference noise and the high-pass filtered oscillator and loop 
noise. Since the noises is uncorrelated, their powers will add. The 
cross-over filter does not suppress one noise before the other kicks in 
to sufficient degree of suppressing the additive effect. Another aspect 
is that the PLL Q-value creates a gain at the cross-over point, and 
using too low Q values acts like an equalizer to bring noise up.

This is to be expected and comes out of standard control system math.


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