[time-nuts] LTE-Lite module
EWKehren at aol.com
EWKehren at aol.com
Sun Oct 19 22:36:45 UTC 2014
We did the same using a 1 KHz out of the $ 14 ubolx M7 and a Morion .
Results better than 1 E-10. Some time nuts are now assembling and testing the
same. Total cost less than $ 10 not counting OCXO or GPS. Most expensive item
is the filter capacitor.
In a message dated 10/19/2014 6:15:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
albertson.chris at gmail.com writes:
At the low end of the spectrum, I tried to make the simplest possible
GPSDO what would still work. Assuming you have a GPS with 1PPS
output, an OCXO and a small DC power supply I was able to get the
entire parts for the controller, board, hookup wire and all for under
$5. I purposely took the lowest cost solution at each decision point
just to see what you'd end up with. Part were from eBay.
The result is not bad. but I don't have a really good way to test it.
I'm using a Thunderbolt for the 1PPS and a pretty decent OXCO part.
Why build a low-end GPSDO when yo have a Thunderbolt? It's and
experiment. The way I test is to place the sine output from the TB
and from my GPSDO both on a dual channel scope and adjust it so the
two sine waves are superimposed. Then I wait for them not to be
superimposed. What I see is that over 1/2 hour or so they get
slightly out of phase but then drift back in phase, This happens
cyclically. It is because of the VERY simply controller. I tried to
minimize lines of C++ code. It's running about 16 lines of code, more
or less. Using my counter I think the GPSDO is good to 1E-10.
Rather than using a $15 ARM MCU board I used a $3 AVR board and used
100% 16-bit integer math in a very simple control loop. There is one
external chip because the little AVR could not deal with the 10MHz
signal from the OCXO so I used a divider chip. I use two 8-bit DACs
to control the EFC on the OCXO. One is curse adjustment, one fine.
Added with a resister network and an RC filter with almost a 1 second
If you can spend $35 you can build a very sophisticated controller
that logs internal diagnostic data to a computer over USB and displays
it's internal status on a graphic LCD panel. Well, actually my
controller has an LCD status display and logs data to a PC. But with
those parts plugged in the cost is closer to $10.
On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Bob Camp <kb8tq at n1k.org> wrote:
>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 5:00 PM, Jim Lux <jimlux at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> On 10/19/14, 1:08 PM, Bob Camp wrote:
>>>> On Oct 19, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Charles Steinmetz
>>>> <csteinmetz at yandex.com> wrote:
>>>> Bob wrote (alluding also to something Poul-Henning wrote):
>>>>> The phase comparison part of the PLL is pretty straightforward if
>>>>> you are looking at two RF frequencies. An XOR gate is one
>>>>> solution, there are many others. Getting something like 100 to
>>>>> 200 ns full scale on the phase comparator makes the rest of the
>>>>> gizmo much easier.
>>>> All true. However...
>>>>> A 12 bit ADC on a MCU will get you to 100's of ps per bit. That
>>>>> is more resolution (it's < 1 ns) than you need for this.
>>>> Getting an ADC to sample fast and accurately enough to provide that
>>>> honest resolution is not trivial. And if you have that, you'll
>>>> almost certainly have the resources to do the phase comparator
>>>> digitally, too, which brings many advantages -- so I see no reason
>>>> to use an analog PC.
>>> If you take a look at some of the newer ARM MCU’s they are getting
>>> 13+ solid bits out of their ADC’s at a > 10 KHz rate. That’s more
>>> than good enough for anything you are trying to do with this design.
>>> There’s no need to make it any more complex.
>> I'm using the Freescale Kinetix K20 parts, which have 16 bit
differential input ADCs, and built in averaging. The raw ADC can sample at about
>> You can easily get 14 bit performance from these at tens of kHz rates.
>> I need I/Q, so I sample two inputs at 50 kHz (read one, then the other)
without averaging (so they're about 2.5 microseconds apart), and then
decimate them through a 2 stage CIC and a 13 tap FIR filter down to 200 Hz.
This takes about 60% of the processor running at 48MHz.
> I’m using parts from the same family, but not doing the whole DDS thing.
Single input and control loop - the part sleeps about 98% of the time. The
demo boards (Freedom boards) are all below $15 and free if you go to one
of their (often free) classes.
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