[time-nuts] low noise multiplication to 100 MHz

Richard (Rick) Karlquist richard at karlquist.com
Thu Jan 21 17:26:46 UTC 2016

It is interesting that the HP8662A multiplies 10 MHz to 640 MHz,
in steps of 2X.  But there is a crystal filter at 80 MHz to
clean up the wideband noise of the 10811.  In the 11729, they
filter the 640 MHz from the 8662 with a SAW filter, again to
eliminate multiplied up wideband noise.  It's going to be
tough to replace a 100 MHz OCXO by multiplying.  You have
the additional problem that 100 MHz is not a power of 2
multiplication.  I think you're stuck waiting for your

Rick Karlquist N6RK

On 1/21/2016 6:43 AM, jimlux wrote:
> My tiny 100 MHz low noise OCXOs are unexpectedly delayed at the mfr, and
> I'm looking at alternative schemes.
> One is to get 10 or 20 MHz OCXOs (typically in stock) and multiply them
> up. I've got the Wenzel ap notes on 2diode and using HCMOS (and I've
> used the packaged Wenzel multipliers), and I think I have some spare
> board real estate on another board.
> The 2diode multiplier describes using 1n5711 or 1n914, but I was
> wondering if anyone has run this sort of multiplier up to 100 MHz?
> What sort of symmetry does the resulting waveform have (yeah, it's
> basically a filtered sinewave, because you're picking a harmonic, but
> I've been surprised before)?
> I'm driving an FPGA and a couple of ADCs.  The ADCs have differential
> input that is 10kohms with 9pF in parallel offset from ground in the
> usual way (we're using a transformer and appropriate bias resistors).
> Not a 50 ohm load, in any case.  And it wants a clock that is high for
> about 47.5% to 52.5% in one mode and much wider (30%-70% in another).. I
> need to check.
> The FPGA is less critical noise-wise, and has a AD8138 buffer in any
> case, which can fix a variety of evils.
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